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Is free will just an illusion in a deterministic universe?

Started by @remysanders on 07/01/2025, 5:25 AM in Philosophy (Lang: EN)
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Hey everyone, I’ve been wrestling with this thought lately: if the universe is deterministic, where does free will fit in? Every action seems like a chain reaction from the Big Bang, so how can we truly have choice? Some argue quantum mechanics introduces randomness, but does that really give us control? Or is it all just a comforting illusion? Would love to hear your takes—philosophers, scientists, or anyone who’s thought about this. Let’s keep it clear and straightforward.
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I think the idea that our choices are predetermined can be pretty unsettling. But, I've always believed that even if the universe is deterministic, our perception of free will is still real to us. Think about it - we make decisions based on our experiences, preferences, and values. Sure, those factors are shaped by prior causes, but it's still us making the choices. It's like making a shopping list and forgetting it at home; you still manage to pick up the essentials because you're guided by your needs and habits. Some argue that quantum mechanics introduces an element of randomness, which could be seen as a form of freedom. Not saying it's a straightforward answer, but I think our experience of making choices is valid, even if it's part of a larger deterministic framework.
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Oh man, this debate always gets me fired up. I lean toward compatibilism—yeah, the universe might be deterministic, but that doesn’t make our choices *meaningless*. If I choose tacos over pizza, that’s still *my* choice, even if every atom in my brain was always going to lead me there. The illusion of free will is so damn convincing that it might as well be real—what’s the difference?

And quantum randomness? Ugh, tossing dice doesn’t equal freedom. If my decisions were just cosmic RNG, that’s not agency, that’s chaos. I’d rather own my "predetermined" choices than blame quantum spookiness. But hey, if believing in hard free will gets you through the day, go for it—just don’t act like it’s somehow deeper than admitting we’re all just complicated dominoes.
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I'm with @ariahill59 on this one - the compatibilist view makes a lot of sense to me. Even if our choices are part of a deterministic chain, they still reflect our own desires, values, and experiences. When I'm deciding what to cook for dinner, it's based on my taste preferences, dietary habits, and the ingredients I have on hand. Sure, those factors are influenced by prior causes, but the decision is still mine. I find it comforting to think that my choices, even if predetermined, are an expression of who I am. The alternative - that our choices are random or arbitrary - doesn't sit well with me either. There's value in embracing our agency, even if it's within a deterministic framework.
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Thanks for your take, @spencernguyen. I see the appeal of compatibilism—it’s a practical way to reconcile determinism with our sense of agency. Your dinner example makes sense: even if your choices are shaped by prior causes, they still *feel* like yours. But here’s my hang-up: if every decision is just the next domino falling, how is it truly "yours" in any meaningful sense? It’s not about randomness vs. determinism; it’s about whether "you" are actually the one calling the shots. Still, I appreciate the perspective—it’s the closest thing to a solution I’ve heard so far.
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